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Re: varroa destructor introduction and evolution

by Bozo2U <Bozo2U@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Aug 9, 2008 at 07:16 AM

On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:14:08 -0500, Charlie Kroeger
<ckrogrr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

*>> It is highly probable the virgin queen will
*>> be fertilized by some or all of her male brothers. 
*>
*>> UC Davis' Apiarist was asked the above question: will the queen
take
*>> on a drone from her hive during her maiden flight? The answer was
NO
*>> due to her ability to sense the pheromone from her own hive and
will
*>> spurn that drone.

*>I wonder how he would know this? Was he a beekeeper with closely
held spiritual beliefs that contained well grounded mores on the
subject of
*>*****?  Did he have the technical ability to separate out all the
different
*>types of sperm and determine that no sperm was present from the
virgin's own
*>hive? There's another thing, I didn't know the title 'Apiarist' came
with
*>any scientific ****tfolio like say, Entomologist. So I take it you
mean the
*>UC Davis Beekeeper whose name you failed to mention for possible
cross
*>reference, has nonetheless, declared this proclamation to be the
truth, and you are passing it on.


Wow. I did not realize that such a minor post would recieve such a
strong response! Well, thank you for noticing. 
It was me that asked Dr. Eric Mussen from UC Davis the above question
and no, I don't know his spiritual beliefs nor his interests in
*****, but after his presentation to our gathering it was a logical
question that I had stumbled upon. 
And yet again, you may have a point, as I don't know his technical
ability to separate out all the sperm nor his ability to discern from
which hive each gamete was derived, so he may well have, since I trust
neither do you.
Sorry about my poor choice of words, as the good doctor is not a
farmer with a bee hive, but an entomologist that has studied bees for
more than half his life? Can you find it such that virtue of
forgiveness in your universe or is it the not true that knowing all
excludes such offenses?

*>In the insect world and especially that of Apis Millifera I see
little
*>wasted action without a reason or some singularity of purpose. I
know when
*>the virgin sets forth the air is full of drones from the same box,
they
*>being the first to know. Given the epochs of time bees have been
around, I
*>find it hard to accept that drones in a particular hive would be
useless to
*>that hive. What would happen if the virgin flew out and there were
no other
*>drones in range, would she return chaste as it were, infertile? If
that's
*>actually the case, can you prove it?

Your claim to "know" when a virgin flight is made, drones are there
from the same box, is based on what? What some other person has
written? And yet you do not name your source for knowing this as well,
nor cite how you came "to know" such. While one may be glad that they
are not alone in this vast universe of ignorance, or the
epistemological equivalency of such, how is it that you do not know
the 10% of drones usefulness in any given hive? Why ARE they there?
The tone of your response mandates you know such and sharing that
answer could be helpful to the rest of us hobbyists.  
Furthermore, I am sorry I cannot prove your assertion, in your
questions above, as I do not live in a world of such absurdity.  
I honestly don't know what would happen in your silly set up scenario.
I do believe Dr. Eric Mussen in his response to my query that she may
recognize her hive pheromone on any given drone and forgo that mating.
Or the drone may have that response to her "smell". But in any case,
reason prevails from what is closer to what is possible and not to the
absurdity you post in your last question to me.
Have you been keeping Africanize bees and is it contagious or are you
always a dick?
*************

'It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. 
It's the impurities in our air and water that are 
doing it.'
-Vice President Al Gore
 




 18 Posts in Topic:
varroa destructor introduction and evolution
AndyHancock <AndyMHanc  2008-07-06 20:20:31 
Re: varroa destructor introduction and evolution
Charlie Kroeger <ckrog  2008-07-07 15:47:29 
Re: varroa destructor introduction and evolution
Bozo2U <Bozo2U@[EMAIL   2008-07-19 13:25:12 
Re: varroa destructor introduction and evolution
Charlie Kroeger <ckrog  2008-07-19 18:14:08 
Re: varroa destructor introduction and evolution
Bozo2U <Bozo2U@[EMAIL   2008-08-09 07:16:33 
Re: varroa destructor introduction and evolution
Charlie Kroeger <ckrog  2008-08-15 01:51:43 
Re: varroa destructor introduction and evolution
Charlie Kroeger <ckrog  2008-08-15 01:51:43 
Re: varroa destructor introduction and evolution
Bozo2U <Bozo2U@[EMAIL   2008-08-09 07:16:33 
Re: varroa destructor introduction and evolution
"Dominic Richens&quo  2008-09-22 16:02:44 
Re: varroa destructor introduction and evolution
Charlie Kroeger <ckrog  2008-09-23 22:10:06 
Re: varroa destructor introduction and evolution
Charlie Kroeger <ckrog  2008-10-09 18:55:43 
Re: varroa destructor introduction and evolution
kauhl-meersburg <OFFka  2008-07-08 00:00:26 
Re: varroa destructor introduction and evolution
zomebody@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-08-11 13:10:57 
Re: varroa destructor introduction and evolution
JZ <zomebody@[EMAIL PR  2008-08-15 01:23:48 
Re: varroa destructor introduction and evolution
Charlie Kroeger <ckrog  2008-08-16 13:20:27 
Re: varroa destructor introduction and evolution
Charlie Kroeger <ckrog  2008-08-16 13:20:27 
Re: varroa destructor introduction and evolution
zomebody@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-08-11 13:10:57 
Re: varroa destructor introduction and evolution
JZ <zomebody@[EMAIL PR  2008-08-15 01:23:48 

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