> Wow. I did not realize that such a minor post would recieve such a
> strong response!
That thread had fallen silent, I'm surprised it was not stricken from the=
server. I would say that no post is minor here unless it is a blatant tro=
ll.
That did not seem the case with you. But now I'm not so sure.
> It was me that asked Dr. Eric Mussen from UC Davis the above question
> and no, I don't know his spiritual beliefs nor his interests in
> *****, but after his presentation to our gathering it was a logical
> question that I had stumbled upon.
I somehow knew it was you. It was a good question but I think a bad answe=
r.
Maybe Dr. Mussen was in a hurry to leave 'your gathering' or had two glas=
ses
of wine when he should have had one, maybe he's a member of your church. =
I
wish to know how he knows such a profound thing that would appear to effe=
ct
all observations to the contrary. I want him to tell us how he knows, why=
don't you ask him next time you see him to post his explanations on this
thread. It would be a most interesting read.
I know you're only the messenger here but statements like you've re****ted=
from Dr. Mussen sound more like some young republican ideologue at a chur=
ch
sponsored seminar on intelligent design than a UC Davis scientist. I know=
scientist can go bad. Many are on the payrolls of these 'thinktanks' crea=
ted
to fight the regulation of cor****ate activities. We must always bear in m=
ind
what William Burroughs said: "no job to dirty for a ****ing scientist."
> And yet again, you may have a point, as I don't know his technical
> ability to separate out all the sperm nor his ability to discern from
> which hive each gamete was derived, so he may well have, since I trust
> neither do you.
That's right lets see this re****t and the hardware he used to come to thi=
s
conclusion. You know although science is part of the title of this newsgr=
oup
we never get to read a scientist's post here=B9 because they're too im****=
tant
or careful or arrogant to give their facts or opinions. I know there are =
a
lot of stupid people now I mean really stupid people who've empowered
themselves with magical thinking and it might cramp an entomologists' sty=
le
to be casting pearls before farmers with beehives.
=B9Thanks for that clear voice -JZ you may not be an entomologist but you=
sound like one.
> Sorry about my poor choice of words, as the good doctor is not a
> farmer with a bee hive, but an entomologist that has studied bees for
> more than half his life?
That is all well and good but why do you care, you just quoted the good
doctor. You're acting like you're the one that made the statement and now=
you have to defend it. Don't bother.
> Can you find it such that virtue of forgiveness in your universe or is=
it
> the not true that knowing all excludes such offenses?
I'm not sure exactly what you mean here, be less poetic.
> Your claim to "know" when a virgin flight is made, drones are there
> from the same box, is based on what?=20
Drones by flying around in a holding pattern in great numbers spend a
certain amount of this time going in and out of the hive in question. I
would say that's a strong indicator they happen to live there too. There =
is
then a lot of cir***stantial evidence they're waiting for the virgin to e=
merge.
Cir***stantial evidence, a form of conjectural assumption allowed to juri=
es
for consideration under English and American law would apply in this
scenario: if you the beekeeper knows there are several open queen cells i=
n
the swarming position and it is swarming season and you know when these
cells were sealed by daily observation, you can get a highly accurate ide=
a
of the day, weather permitting, the virgin will emerge. If you're interes=
ted
in this event you can go and wait her out. Drones will let you know
something im****tant is about to happen. The jury would also be allowed to=
surmise the virgin's flight is imminent.
> While one may be glad that they
> are not alone in this vast universe of ignorance, or the
> epistemological equivalency=20
The disease of rhetoric can strike anyone. There's no known cure exceptin=
g
being born with special abilities reserved for the better writers or a
maturity born of suffering perhaps. Anyway that's one dumb word and I can=
't
see what it has to do with my complaint, still I'm open for a bit of word=
s****t if you like.
> as I do not live in a world of such absurdity.
What world would that be? I hope it isn't the national society of fascist=
inspired epistemology and monstrous tin tabernacles made with taxpayers m=
oney.
> I do believe Dr. Eric Mussen in his response to my query that she may
> recognize her hive pheromone on any given drone and forgo that mating.
Is that 'may' or 'will?' In your announcement of this profound statement
where you've become the self appointed press secretary of Dr. Mussen your=
post dated July 19th you said 'will':
<sic> UC Davis' Apiarist was asked the above question: will the queen tak=
e
on a drone from her hive during her maiden flight? The answer was NO
=46rom an imagined B movie of 1956: "Terror on Campus." The scene opens: =
a
bustling vista of UC Davis in black and white, the immaculate lawns, whit=
e
people in white coats going purposely about. The camera comes to a door i=
n a
building with a sign that reads: "Dr. Eric Mussen, Entomology." The door
opens we see a pretty blond co-ed with a clipboard and pony tail standing=
beside a distinguished looking man, himself, in a white coat. The co-ed
speaks: "but Dr. Mussen if you're right and those artificial inseminators=
inseminated a virgin with the sperm of a drone from her own hive, wouldn'=
t
it create a bearded bee with seven legs and multiple stingers without
barbs?" That's right Penny, but no one would be that crazy.
> But in any case, reason prevails from what is closer to what is possibl=
e
> and not to the absurdity you post in your last question to me.
Before the Spanish Conquistadors arrived in the west and English colonist=
in
the east there were no Apis Millifera on this continent both north and
south. No horses either. So lets ask ourselves how many hives came over t=
he
first time bees were brought here? I sure would like to know, or can we? =
Is
it written in any contem****ary diaries or logs about allowing a number of=
those medieval straw skips full of bees to be brought aboard a ****p bound=
for Jamestown? I've never seen this. We know that the bees were brought t=
o
America we just don't know when. We know the Indians complained about the=
m
from diaries of the time. If it was a lone hive surviving the 5 or 6 mont=
h
journey in some cranny of the ****p then swarming into the new world when =
the
****p arrived then Dr.Mussen is wrong. Being understanding and empathetic =
of
human frailty we can sympathetically surmise he was driven mad whilst
waiting for his telegram from the Nobel Prize selection committee. If it
were two hives arriving at James town on the same ****p, he could be right=
but we need to understand why by modern methods.
I personally surmise it was a swarm of British Black Bees that built a hi=
ve
in some hidden place of the ****p as it lay for weeks in harbour then had
enough stores to survive the crossing. This is how Africanized bees reach=
ed
places like Houston and New Orleans in recent times. These modern ****ps
however made the passage across the Gulf of Mexico relatively fast while =
the
attached AHB swarms went unnoticed carrying with them enough iron rations=
to
survive the passage.
> The tone of your response mandates you know such and sharing that
> answer could be helpful to the rest of us hobbyists.=20
The tone in which you allude is coming from your mind. In text messaging =
of
this sort I respond to posts of interest measured directly from the level=
of
thought or a shared experience I perceive went into the post.
Thinking about what someone says whether scientist or layman should be yo=
ur
first endeavor. As a novice hobbyist beekeeper or an experienced hobbyist=
beekeeper it is your duty to keep finding things out for yourself by maki=
ng
the effort to have real experiences whilst reading more than you hear.
> Have you been keeping Africanize bees
I believe I have encountered them.
> and is it contagious or are you always a dick?
Study the concept of irony Bozo it will help you get a life.
> 'It isn't pollution that's harming the environment.=20
> It's the impurities in our air and water that are=20
> doing it.'
> -Vice President Al Gore
Al Gore another person who does not think about what he's saying.
--=20
CK
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