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>>>>>>> Does anyone actually do this any more? Is it something a small
>>>>>>> producer could learn to do on their own or does it require a
>>>>>>> veterinarian? Storey has a brief explanation of it in his book
but
>>>>>>> does not mention anesthetic being used. Is this cruel to cut open
a
>>>>>>> bird without pain control?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's now illegal in the UK.
>>>>>> And yes, of course it's cruel to cut open a bird without pain
>>>>>> control. I'm surprised you asked.
>>>>>> Imagine it for yourself and then you know what is right for your
>>>>>> birds.
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess raising meat birds is out, then ;-).
>>>>
>>>> Why?
>>>
>>> "Imagine it for yourself..."
>>>
>>> I haven't met anyone so far who's remotely interested in having a
knife
>>> stuck into their brain or their jugular cut. OK, there are some
sickos
>>> out there, but _most_ of us would say "no way."
>>>
>> Have you deliberately misunderstood me?
>> There is a vast difference between killing a bird and subjecting it to
>> abdominal surgery without anaesthetic, or pain relief while it's
>> recovering.
>> I've had abdominal surgery twice myself and let me tell you morphine
was
>> involved. When it began to wear off, well, I wouldn't wish such pain
on
>> my worst enemy.
>> Caponization by surgical means (or even chemical means) has been
outlawed
>> in the UK for many years. We don't declaw cats, either to save our
>> furniture. That's illegal too.
>>
>> I get the impression you thought my original post was amusing. Did it
>> make you laugh to think that I objected to a bird being operated on
>> without pain relief? If so, I don't understand your sense of humour.
>
> No, I am just pointing out that if you _really_ belive what you _said_,
> which is if it's not ok for yourself, it's not ok for your birds, you
> would also be against slaughtering birds for any reason except possibly
> humane euthanasia (and many people would object to that for themselves
as
> well). That's a pretty clear and unambigious interpretation of what you
> actually said.
>
> If you didn't actually mean that if a thing isn't ok for yourself then
it
> isn't ok for your birds, then just say so.
>
> The smiley was because there is a huge range of what people consider to
be
> ok husbandry. Just because I happen to be a vegetarian doesn't mean
that
> I insist that others can't slaughter their animals or that I wouldn't do
> it under some cir***stances, for instance. I also didn't really believe
> that you meant what you literally said, as you have subsequently proven
to
> be the case. And I admit that I do find it slightly amusing when people
> overstate their position to the point that they clearly don't even agree
> with what they said themselves.
>
I was responding to a post that questioned if caponizing a bird via
abdominal surgery without pain relief was humane, and that's why I said
what
I did. It seems pretty clear to me that I meant "do not do anything to
your
chicken while it's alive which you wouldn't do to yourself." And you know
that. You are arguing for arguments sake, and you are beginning to make
me
cross by pretending you were too obtuse to see this at first and trying to
make it funny.
It's not funny at all. How anyone in the world could ask if no pain
relief
abdominal surgery is OK is totally beyond me.
OF COURSE IT ISN'T!!
Why would anyone need to ask?
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